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September 12, 2002 02:19 PM

So, the September 11 anniversary thing has me sad and thinking the world pretty much sucks.


But you can dodge that feeling (briefly) at the Pop vs. Soda Page, which maps where those two terms are used based on respondents' zip codes and answer to that age old question.


Did you know that sixty percent of Virginians say "soda"? You do now. And if you grew up in the Tidewater or bay region, you'd also know that most Southeastern Virginians say it with a round Canadian "o". We're scotsirish like that.


[To those in the audience who'd like to contend that Virginia is, in fact, no longer the South, the saying of "soda" over the more appropriately Southern (and doubtless influenced by said brand-named company's strong presence in the region) "coke" is significant ammunition. That's right: 60% of Kentuckians, 84% of Georgians, 85% of uh, People From Alabama and Tennessee say "coke". Proof! Proof that we're not Southerners! If only the confederate-minded conservatives of Richmond could grasp this; we'd have to secede.]

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There is nothing in the world so unique and distinctive, yet subtle, as the Tidewater Virginia accent. I have this link-buddy, listed as "Rytalin," who currently lives in NYC but spent many of his formative years in Virginia Beach and graduated from ODU. I tell you, the first time I spoke with him on the phone and heard a Tidewater accent coming down the telephone line from Manhattan I just about cried. I don't know whether or not you think of it as a thing of beauty, but I enjoyed living and going to school in Williamsburg so much that it brought back lovely memories.


And as a native Georgian who went to college in Virginia, I can agree 100% that Virginians are Not Southern, at least not in the same way as those of us who hail from the Deep South.

these are the thoughts of revolution9 on September 12, 2002 03:34 PM

I agree about the accent. If it were just for voices, I'd live between the eastern shore and the bay forever.


Personally, I believe Richmond (which has its own distinctive, though less beautiful to my ears, accent) is a lone bastion of The South in the rest of this otherwise lovely state. I suspect most other southerners would find that offensive, as Richmond's fondness for the confederacy is really quite embarrassing. I've yet to find anything like it elsewhere in the South.

these are the thoughts of april on September 12, 2002 03:49 PM

But, do you say wersh instead of wash, and pitcher instead of picture?


My mom is from Virginia. Her soft pronunciations let her assimilate quickly when we moved to Ohio, but she insisted that her children have clear diction, because she didn't want people to think we were stupid because of our mis-pronunciations.

these are the thoughts of Cinnamon on September 13, 2002 11:23 AM

Virginia is the South, and don't
ever make that mistake again. The
South has to start somewhere doesn't it?
Robert E. Lee sure as hell isn't from
Alabama. It really irks me that people
would say Virginia is not the South.
Certainly not the Deep South, but
distinctly Southern, non-the-less.

these are the thoughts of Meade on January 11, 2004 08:27 PM

apparently "country music sensation" man has no sense of humor and little to do on a sunday night other than search for year-old blog posts. ;)

strictly speaking, kids, MARYLAND is in the south (if you want to get all mason-dixon about it). but is it really?

these are the thoughts of april on January 12, 2004 09:56 AM

I would say Maryland is very "iffy". But
once you cross the Potomac River into Virginia, you're in the South, and there's no doubt about it. And I think a lot of people from the Deep South are just jealous because Virginia has always been a very genteel state, and is very unique and certainly has more money. So, they want to say "Well, Virginia isn't really the South". What they're really saying is "Virginia has more money and we're jealous, so let's kick her out of Dixie".

these are the thoughts of Meade on January 14, 2004 09:29 AM

Texas certainly isn't the South. And also, I was in Atlanta, Georgia, and I felt like I was up North. Richmond, Virginia, is ten times more Southern, and I couldn't wait to get back to Virginia- the real SOUTH.

these are the thoughts of Robert E. Lee on January 15, 2004 12:36 AM

I'm a native of northern Virginia and I've often dwelled upon this wee cunundrum. Is we or ain't we? First, the vast majority of the people who live north of Fredricksburg are not from here and I would venture to guess there are a preponderance of yankees or those who would define themselves as such (or midwesterners or other). That said, the native culture of ALL of Virginia is southern. I remember going to elementary school in western Fairfax county in the early 70s and there were kids in my school who were definately southern. . .accent and all. Being a student of accents myself I would identify my own, and that of other native northern Virginians as southern midatlantic (technically the accent is desiganated as an upper south accent). It's not as harsh as the northeastern accents of Philly and Bal'mer but it's not as treacly and soft as what most would regard as a strong southern accent. Anyway, the bottom line is that Virginia is definately the South linguistically and culturally. North of Fredricksburg, however, the culture and accent tend more north-eastern/midatlantic than southern.

these are the thoughts of Southern? Man on May 12, 2004 06:09 PM
















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